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both wars are equally unjustified, but the US has lost what, <20 people by now, in over a month? Putin loses >20 people per hour of his war.


I'd say "I agree, the US should lose more people" but I wouldn't wish casualties on anyone.

Still, the fact that the US can kill people without any cost because they send drones to do it doesn't sit well with me at all.


In fairness, Iran has also been conducting its campaign with missiles and the Shahed drones. The Iran-Israel war has killed a lot of people who are neither Iranian nor Israeli but happen to live in Palestine or Lebanon.


Yeah I don't really like having to defend Iran, so I don't know what to tell you. Nobody in this is right.


The world os wrong because its sliding back into the rule of the strong from the before times.


Russia is actually gaining people in this war. The occupied territory they intend to keep has a prewar population of 10M.


The mass graves they are making in occupied territories say otherwise.


That would be true if they were keeping the native population there alive. We know they were importing presumably loyal people from deep Russia. What happened to original occupants? You can guess.


Ukraine didn't sponsor terrorist organizations around the world.



> Azov battalion

Was a direct result of russian invasion in 2014. Also not a government sponsored terrorist organization.


Inspired by Stepan Bandera's memory. He was a prominent collaborator during ww-2.


Trump has avoided a ground invasion up to this point for this exact reason, even trying to take one of outerlying islands would have heavy casualties due to drone warfare. There's speculation that the mess over the weekend was the result of a SOF mission gone wrong.


> the US has lost what, <20 people by now, in over a month? Putin loses >20 people per hour of his war

Not sure why you're being downvoted. Russia's economy and military have been flogged by their war in a way America's has not. Moreover, we have midterms this year and a Presidential election in 2. Moscow has no similar 'fuck it' exit option.


Russia’s economy and military have been flogged for years to get to the current point. The US is just on month two.

The two powers have wildly different militaries and strategies. Comparing body counts is never gonna be a super helpful metric by itself.


> Russia’s economy and military have been flogged for years to get to the current point. The US is just on month two

Russia's military power has been vastly diminished by its war. If America committed to a ground invasion and then stuck with it through the next President, yes, we'd probably see similar degradation of American martial ability over years.

> two powers have wildly different militaries and strategies. Comparing body counts is never gonna be a super helpful metric by itself

Agree. But it does point to the extent to which one system will go to reduce loss of life.


The American people are already getting flogged when they buy fuel and groceries. The longer this war continues the worse it will get. Nonetheless, the American people themselves are mostly safe at home, the precedent for Iran launching any sort of attacks against the American homeland is basically nonexistent. Even sending terror cells, you'd think Iran would be on this for how often their western critics accuse them of funding terrorism, but in America? Crickets. This war is bullshit.


> American people are already getting flogged when they buy fuel and groceries

No, we're not. It's bad. But it's nothing compared to Russia.


Not as bad as Russia... damning with faint praise, aren't we?


> damning with faint praise, aren't we?

No. I'm calling out bullshit. If someone says Bob is a terrorist, and I say no, Bob is not a terrorist, I'm not damning Bob "with faint praise" by calling out a nonsense comparison.

There is plenty bad America is doing and threatening in this war. We don't need word games to discuss them adultly.


And you know about Russia how exactly? Ever been there?


Downvotes from ziofascists are always a great reward. Let's go for some more, do tell me, where have been the Iranian terror cells in America? We know the US funded terror cells in Iran, the president bragged amount arming groups in Iran to overthrow the government. When has Iran done this to America?

It hasn't happened. The narrative of Iran being a funder of terrorism is essentially bullshit, particularly in relation to America, and no less in relation to Israel (a state founded on acts of terrorism against the British and Palestinians.)


You're trying to educate the wilfully ignorant. I do it too, in the dim hope that maybe, just maybe, one hypocrite will actually look up the reality and get educated.

It's a fools errand, especially on Hypocrisy News, a politer version of Reddit.


Maybe you should shop hanging around here then. I'm unsure of exactly why you haven't been banned yet with your comment history.


No.


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> Russia exchanges 20+ bodies for each received from The Ukraine

Source?


https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-repatriates-bodies-of-1-...

1000 Ukrainians for 38 Russians. Such exchanges with similarly lopsided ratios happen every couple weeks.


Maybe it's simply because Ukrainians aren't killing Russians within territory they control, so they don't have as many bodies to exchange. Looking at body exchanges to determine the number of dead people on either side seems just...like a weird metric?


It’s a reasonable metric but it should be evaluated based on what’s happening on the ground. For example, if Russia is advancing and Ukraine is retreating, and KIA is same in each side, then Russia would pick up many more bodies to exchange than Ukraine.



This is a rather grim comment, but: when a war is fought with 155mm shells, over 100k per month, that doesn't necessarily leave bodies.


Only Ukrainian bodies?


Article says "Russia is likely handing over more bodies than it receives since its troops have captured more Ukrainian bodies than vice versa, since they have been on the offensive for most of the war."

That could be bullshit. But it holds water as a hypothesis. If Ukraine were suffering 20:1 casualty ratios against itself on the field, Russia would have won already. There are no weapons that can overcome a small belligerent losing more bodies than the larger one.


> The Ukraine

The fact you use this term makes it quite clear which side you’re speaking for.


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Come on now, don't be shy, say what's on your mind. Who are "these people"? Ukrainians, the ones who live in Ukraine? The only country in the world with a "the" in front is The Gambia, using The in front of Ukraine is doing it for no reason other than to show your disrespect for them, but then - why even pretend to have a civilized discussion? Just say whatever thing you have on your mind instead of speaking in riddles.


I have no respect for Banderaites and their supporters. Which includes most ignorant westerners.

I bet you don't even know who Stepan Bandera was. I bet you don't even know the origins of the term "The Ukraine."


I do know better than you actually. The idea that supporting Ukraine is supporting banderites is laughable.


Before SMO, 2018

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/02/neo-nazi-group...

Of course, propaganda machine kicked in post SMO

If you actually know better, kindly disabuse me of my ignorance.


>>If you actually know better, kindly disabuse me of my ignorance.

Your ignorance seems so deep rooted that I'm not sure how I could actually achieve that. Do you want a lecture on how using "the" for Ukraine in the current geopolitical context is just beyond stupid, or how equating support for Ukraine with supporting neo Nazis is only something a truly exceptionally ignorant person could do? In the sense that you can only do that by ignoring everything that was done to address it in the last 4 years, and yet only people who keep bringing it up are those who also usually are keen to say things like "oh actually Poland was the one that started WW2".

>>Of course, propaganda machine kicked in post SMO

Well that's one thing we can agree on, looking at the kinds of stuff you write.


https://youtu.be/iWpEOvQmCMI and this was from a year ago.


Deflection.


>>from The Ukraine

It's just Ukraine. Unless you're doing this on purpose.

>>and even a blatantly biased outlet is unable to prove such assertions like 20 people per hour

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-grinding-war-ukraine

It seems to hover around 30k dead a month recently, so 1000 people a day, divided by 24, that's actually ~41 people an hour.

But you know, even if we assume these numbers are wildly innacurate and only half those given...that's still 20 per hour?

>>X and Telegram channels are full of videos of freshly dug graves in The Ukraine.

No doubt, but what does that have to do with anything.

>>Edit: since Hypocrisy News is rate limiting me I can't reply to the redditor asking for a source:

So on one hand you call BBC a highly biased source, and then you link an article from it? So which one is it? Is it biased, or is it the source of your information?


Clearly nuance is not your forte.

Even a highly biased source like the BBC admits to a highly skewed KIA ratio favouring - poor choice of words but meh - Russia.

Let that sink in. The real ratio must be much higher.


>>The real ratio must be much higher.

How can you make such a confident assumption? Like I said in another comment - it could be simply that Russians are being killed in places where Ukrainians can't or won't retrieve their bodies from. As Russians are the aggressors and moving into Ukrainian territory, this seems almost expected?

>>Even a highly biased source like the BBC admits to a highly skewed KIA ratio favouring Russia

Except they aren't doing that at all, because unlike you, they aren't equating bodies traded with KIA ratios. Maybe nuance isn't my forte, but then again, I'm not sure what yours is.




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